Bidis, among other alternative cigarettes....Course, that was back in
the day. (20 years ago) Bidis are interesting, but I'd have never
smoked them if I weren't hanging around my buddy.
--- In pipesmokers2@yahoogroups.com, MoSouthAfrica <helderberg40@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow thats interesting. I have never heard of such a thing until you
told me.. Have you heard of a Bidi or Beedee from India??? Its this
little thing, its a tobacco leaf wrapped up and tied, not sure if
there is a filler though
>
> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Christopher Brunton <loosewatches@...> wrote:
>
> From: Christopher Brunton <loosewatches@...>
> Subject: [Pipe smokers] Re: Giving up cigarettes
> To: pipesmokers2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 9:23 AM
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> Hey Mo,
>
> Well a clove cigarette is actually, properly called a kretek. Here's a
> better bunch of info than I can offer..
>
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Kretek
>
> I usually smoke Sampoerna xtras or Djarum super 16 when I do, which, as
> I said, is about twice a year. They are not probably going to be very
> popular to the average western smoker, but, in Indonesia and some other
> places, they are more popular than the 'regular' Cig.
>
> Kreteks taste virtually nothing like a cigarette and absolutely like
> cloves. Many are very strong nic wise, also. Here's something
> interesting: add copy from a website--check out the Nicotine. (Most
> regular cigs are around 0.5 - 0.8 mg a smoke).
>
> Djarum 76 is the result of secret research, sacred recipe with a history
> streching back over 120 years. Mature tobacco with 38 mg Tar, 2.4 mg
> Nicotine and quality clove selection blended with variety of traditional
> Indonesian spices make Djarum 76 to a enjoyable.
>
> They really stink (read-smell great) depending on your nose, and they
> are pretty noisy. They crackle. Anyway, If I gotta smoke a cigarette
> (and I never do) it'll be a kretek, a Nat Sherman MCD, or nothing...By
> the way Sherman's cloves suck.
> Actually all cigs suck, but we know that, don't we.......
>
> As a side thought, switching to cloves my be a good way to quit.....You
> certainly can't smoke too many of them at once.....(I' m kidding
folks..)
>
> -loose
>
> --- In pipesmokers2@ yahoogroups. com, MoSouthAfrica <helderberg40@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Loose what on earth is a clove cigarette???
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Christopher Brunton loosewatches@ ... wrote:
> >
> > From: Christopher Brunton loosewatches@ ...
> > Subject: [Pipe smokers] Re: Giving up cigarettes
> > To: pipesmokers2@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:30 PM
> >
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> > Hay Mo,
> >
> > I agree with Joe here. (Seems like I'm always agreeing with one Joe or
> > the other;-)
> >
> > He's on the button here. I used to smoke the old nails, but I don't
> > miss them a bit now.
> >
> > One thing I would say is, and Joe may conk me on the head for this,
> > when I was trying to lay off the cigs, I found it helped me a lot to
> > inhale, halfway, the fourth and fifth puffs of a strong tobacco, in a
> > pipe, twice a day. (Or, whenever I felt I might 'relapse' back to a
> > cigarette). The first starting puffs are always a bit strong, so, yeah
> > the fourth and fifth. I plead the fifth.
> >
> > I smoke some strong stuff usually, right now it's Dark Flake mixed
> > with Dark Navy flake, and a full on cig inhale is likely to kill. BUT,
> > a small ways down the throat and out the nose, and the nic fix was
> > enough. I didn't even think about it now, but I probably still do
> > that. As Joe said though, don't inhale on the pipe like a C
> > stick...Not a good idea, as he said.
> >
> > I mentioned here before that there are a lot of pipe tobaccos that are
> > WAY stronger (nic wise) than ANY cigarette. But, you're not going to
> > get the quick fix and, as mentioned, the additives are absent....
> > Here's the kick though, your life will be better when those junkie
> > chemicals aren't in your system.
> >
> > Wake up a little earlier, load a bowl of the strongest, nicest
> > pipe tobacco you've got, get a cup o joe (or tea) and enjoy a slower
> > start to the morning....that was, for me, the biggest help.
> >
> > good luck
> >
> > -loose
> >
> > p.s. I do still smoke a clove cigarette about twice a year.
> > Inhaling hurts. Breathing is nice.
> >
> > --- In pipesmokers2@ yahoogroups. com, "Joe Ahearn" joeahearn@ ..>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I just want to encourage you to keep working on giving up the
> > cigarettes. I
> > > did, and I was as addicted as anyone can be. I am glad every day
> > that I quit
> > > smoking cigarettes and you will be, too.
> > >
> > > Ways to taper down:
> > > -- roll your own from good tobacco. there really is some extra
> addictive
> > > agent in commercially made cigarettes. you can tell when you start
> > rolling
> > > your own b/c you go through a small withdrawal no matter how much
> > you smoke.
> > > go to hand-rolleds, then cut down on the hand-rolleds. make sure to
> > get the
> > > best, purest, most chemical-free hand-rolling tobacco you can get.
> > > -- use snuff to cut down further--I am talking about old-fashioned
> > inhaled
> > > snuff--get Freibourg and Treyer or Gawith Hoggarth--some of this
> > stuff has a
> > > huge amount of nicotine
> > > --smoke the hell out of your pipes and smoke a good strong tobacco.
> But
> > > don't inhale, ever. If you need to inhale, roll a cigarette. You
> > don't want
> > > to associate pipe smoking with inhaling/cigarettes in your mind.
> > >
> > > Tapering down is a good, but at a certain point, tapering down
> > becomes sheer
> > > hell because you're just always at a permanent state of withdrawal.
> > That's
> > > the time to take a weekend, get all of the cigarettes out of the
> > house, and
> > > just quit.
> > >
> > > I'm afraid I can't sugar-coat the unpleasantness of quitting. It is
> > not fun.
> > > It affects your sleep, your mood, your appetite, everything.
> > Cigarettes are
> > > a major drug addiction. I would not try to do the final quit any
> > time you
> > > are stressed or have major life events going on. I would do it over
> a
> > > weekend or take vacation. Get ALL of your cigarettes out of the
> > house. Don't
> > > go places or do things that you especially associate with smoking
> > > cigarettes. Expect three days that are pretty bad and several weeks
> > that are
> > > bad. You just have to be committed and get through it. After the
> > first three
> > > days, it gets better every day.
> > >
> > > I smoke my pipe for pleasure now, and don't HAVE TO smoke it. I
> haven't
> > > smoked a cigarette since 1994 and I don't miss them. I was a two
> > pack-a-day
> > > smoker. Like I said, if I could do it, you can. Best wishes for your
> > > success.
> > >
> > > Joe in Austin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Jim <bocabenningtons@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good morning,
> > > > Giving up cigarettes is hard, I saw that when one of my employees
> did
> > > > it. She did a really smart thing. First she cut down on the
> amount.
> > > > Second, she would break off about 1/4 of an inch of those that she
> did
> > > > smoke. And lastly she set a date and hasn't smoked since. She did
> cut
> > > > down on the consumption of alcohol and coffee and started working
> out.
> > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > --- In pipesmokers2@ yahoogroups. com <pipesmokers2%
> 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > MoSouthAfrica <helderberg40@ >
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > I have been struggling with this cigarette nonesence for most of
> my
> > > > life. Since i have been on the pipe, cig consumption has gone
> down. I
> > > > really want to leave this crap for good. Anyone else here have any
> > > > tips maybe???
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> > > > > Thank you
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